Thursday, September 16, 2010

Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate Discovered, Congress Already Aware of Document

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Until the Kenyan birth certificate discovered by Lucas Daniel Smith can be validated we should not jump to conclusions about the constitutionality of President Obama’s election.  However, what this document does do is provide enough reasonable doubt to allow any trial brought by a member of the US military in which the authority of President Obama to issue executive orders is in question to proceed.

If the President was in deed born in Hawaii as he contends, a simple authorization by him to release the vault copy of his Certificate of Birth would bring an end to any questions about his constitutional authority.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

The “Kenyan birth certificate” that you refer to has been proven to be a forgery by WND.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108005

WND said in part:

“The document appears to have the following defects:

1. Kenyan news sources have called into question the use of “Coast Province” or “Coast Provincial” as a correct reference to the official name of the Mombasa general public hospital in 1961, citing Professor Dan Branch of the University of Warwick who noted that the term “Coast Province” was not used in the early 1960s when Kenyan provinces were typically referred to as “regions.”

2. Until 1964, Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya, not the Republic of Kenya, and Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until Dec. 12, 1963, not a coastal province of Kenya.

3. Dr. James O.W. Ang’awa, the physician who was named in the document as the attending physician at Obama’s birth, was a physician who worked in Kenya during the 1960s; however, he worked at Kenyatta National Hospital in Nairobi. Dr. James O.W. Ang’awa never worked at any hospital in Mombasa.

4. The dates on the document are formatted in U.S. style, listing in order the month, day and year; this is not the British format which typically follows the order of day, month and year.

5. The footprint on the document appears nearly perfect in definition; real infant footprints typically show signs of smudging because of foot movement.

6. The footprint on the document is densely black, revealing few natural lines on the sole of the foot; footprints used for document identification are typically inked much lighter to allow for natural lines to be clearly apparent.

7. Footprints taken for document identification are typically taken for both feet, just as fingerprints taken for identification are typically taken for both hands.

8. The document does not look remotely like the 1961-era birth certificates used in Kenya; infant footprints were not displayed on Kenyan birth certificates in the 1961-era.

WND sources in Kenya described the Smith document as a clever forgery in that Helton Muganga is currently an administrator at Coast Provincial General Hospital. "

James said...

Thanks for the link. Didn't realize the one in the article was the same one from back then.

One thing of note, Smith in the video clearly states it was a certified copy issued in 2009, so it stands to reason some of the the seals, labels, etc. would have the modern naming, but in deed, as stated in the post it could be a forgery.

However, until a document expert has examined it (and WND is no document expert) and proven it false, it provides reasonable doubt.

Anonymous said...

Then answer this:

If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother's US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.

If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother's passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.

That is why the National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

Did Lucas Smith even show a stamp on a passport that proved that he went to Kenya?

As you say WND is not a document expert. But then who is an expert on KENYAN documents?

If WND says: "infant footprints were not displayed on Kenyan birth certificates in the 1961-era", that is highly likely to be true.

James said...

Without researching it more, I couldn't comment on the validity of the passport paper trail.

What I can comment on is the just as valid and well documented debunking of the COLB provided by Obama before the election. So on one hand you accept WND's debunking of a Kenyan document that you admit there is likely no US based document expert, but not the debunking of the COLB which has been reviewed by numerous individuals who do have the expertise to analyze US and Hawaiian birth certificates.

Im just guessing, but baby Obama would have still been allowed entry without a passport because his mother was a US citizen and his birth father was a legal resident of the US. There has been many well documented instance of Obama with multiple SSNs, and his own SSN was issued from another state. Many, many questions that could be answered by him just releasing his vault copy which if he is telling the truth is on file and can be released anytime he gives his ok.

I believe he was born here, they are just waiting for some big name republican to allege he wasn't and when that happens he will finally release the vault copy to try and make a fool of the person. In the meantime, it is the American people and the US constitution that is being made a fool of.

Anonymous said...

Re: “ What I can comment on is the just as valid and well documented debunking of the COLB provided by Obama before the election. “

Answer: NO official has determined that the COLB is a forgery. Only two guys who would not give their real names CLAIMED that the birth certificate was forged. No official did, either in Hawaii or in the federal government. The McCain campaign looked into the allegation of forgery, and found that it was false. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed the FACTS on the document, and it is the facts that are key.

Re; ‘The COLB which has been reviewed by numerous individuals who do have the expertise to analyze US and Hawaiian birth certificates.”

Answer: Are you really serious about the “numerous individuals?” And are you serious about “have the expertise”?

Who are you referring to? Ron Polarik? It is a pseudonym. What is his expertise? Or the other guy, whose handle I forget. Who is he? What is his expertise? Surely, if “numerous” experts had claimed that, then the officials in Hawii (which is under a Republican administration) would have investigated. After all, it is their document. Well, maybe they DID investigate, but for sure they did not find anything wrong with the document, or they would have said. Instead they said repeatedly that the FACTS on the COLB are accurate, and after all, it is the facts that affect the matter.

Re: “ Im just guessing, but baby Obama would have still been allowed entry without a passport because his mother was a US citizen and his birth father was a legal resident of the US. “

Answer: That is not the law, and it boggles the mind to think that anyone, a US-mother or not, could carry a black child past immigration into the United States without someone demanding proof that the child was allowed into the USA. That is what we have set up the immigration services at the airports to prevent (not just to prevent black children, of course.)

Re: “There has been many well documented instance of Obama with multiple SSNs, and his own SSN was issued from another state. “

Answer: The answer to this is very simple. THE SOCIAL SECURITY FILES ARE FUCKED UP. Massively Fucked. They have numerous errors and transpositions in them, not only for Obama but for lots of people. That explains the Connecticut-Hawaii mix-up; the numbers were either transposed or digits that were near each other on the keyboard were hit instead of the right number.

And, what would the having multiple social security numbers do for you anyway? You cannot collect more than one social security payment when you retire, and they only use the SS account where the money was recorded. If you recorded payments in multiple accounts, you’d be cutting your own payments, since they would only count those in one of them. SS is not useful for welfare anymore, and it does not help in voting in elections.

Anonymous said...

Re: "I believe he was born here..."

Good, so do I. If, as we both say, he was born here, then the "Kenyan birth certificate" must be forged.

Re: "...they are just waiting for some big name republican to allege he wasn't and when that happens he will finally release the vault copy to try and make a fool of the person. "

Answer. That is a remote possibility. A far more likely one would be the explanation that the officials in Hawaii have made, that they no longer send out copies of the vault copy.

That would make it impossible for Obama to show the vault copy. But, if he did have a way to get it and to show it, it would not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii any more than the Certification does. All it does is show the name of the hospital and the doctor and the government registrar of births at the time. If people can doubt the COLB without those facts, they can doubt it with them too, and they can claim that it also is forged.

Besides, the COLB is now the official birth certificate, and it is sufficient.

Anonymous said...

Re: “ What I can comment on is the just as valid and well documented debunking of the COLB provided by Obama before the election. “

Answer: NO official has determined that the COLB is a forgery. Only two guys who would not give their real names CLAIMED that the birth certificate was forged. No official did, either in Hawaii or in the federal government. The McCain campaign looked into the allegation of forgery, and found that it was false. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed the FACTS on the document, and it is the facts that are key.

Re; ‘The COLB which has been reviewed by numerous individuals who do have the expertise to analyze US and Hawaiian birth certificates.”

Answer: Are you really serious about the “numerous individuals?” And are you serious about “have the expertise”?

Who are you referring to? Ron Polarik? It is a pseudonym. What is his expertise? Or the other guy, whose handle I forget. Who is he? What is his expertise? Surely, if “numerous” experts had claimed that, then the officials in Hawii (which is under a Republican administration) would have investigated. After all, it is their document. Well, maybe they DID investigate, but for sure they did not find anything wrong with the document, or they would have said. Instead they said repeatedly that the FACTS on the COLB are accurate, and after all, it is the facts that affect the matter.

Re: “ Im just guessing, but baby Obama would have still been allowed entry without a passport because his mother was a US citizen and his birth father was a legal resident of the US. “

Answer: That is not the law, and it boggles the mind to think that anyone, a US-mother or not, could carry a black child past immigration into the United States without someone demanding proof that the child was allowed into the USA. That is what we have set up the immigration services at the airports to prevent (not just to prevent black children, of course.)

Re: “There has been many well documented instance of Obama with multiple SSNs, and his own SSN was issued from another state. “

Answer: The answer to this is very simple. THE SOCIAL SECURITY FILES ARE FUCKED UP. Massively Fucked. They have numerous errors and transpositions in them, not only for Obama but for lots of people. That explains the Connecticut-Hawaii mix-up; the numbers were either transposed or digits that were near each other on the keyboard were hit instead of the right number.

And, what would the having multiple social security numbers do for you anyway? You cannot collect more than one social security payment when you retire, and they only use the SS account where the money was recorded. If you recorded payments in multiple accounts, you’d be cutting your own payments, since they would only count those in one of them. SS is not useful for welfare anymore, and it does not help in voting in elections.

Anonymous said...

Re: “ What I can comment on is the just as valid and well documented debunking of the COLB provided by Obama before the election. “

Answer: NO official has determined that the COLB is a forgery. Only two guys who would not give their real names CLAIMED that the birth certificate was forged. No official did, either in Hawaii or in the federal government. The McCain campaign looked into the allegation of forgery, and found that it was false. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed the FACTS on the document, and it is the facts that are key.

Re; ‘The COLB which has been reviewed by numerous individuals who do have the expertise to analyze US and Hawaiian birth certificates.”

Answer: Are you really serious about the “numerous individuals?” And are you serious about “have the expertise”?

Who are you referring to? Ron Polarik? It is a pseudonym. What is his expertise? Or the other guy, whose handle I forget. Who is he? What is his expertise? Surely, if “numerous” experts had claimed that, then the officials in Hawii (which is under a Republican administration) would have investigated. After all, it is their document. Well, maybe they DID investigate, but for sure they did not find anything wrong with the document, or they would have said. Instead they said repeatedly that the FACTS on the COLB are accurate, and after all, it is the facts that affect the matter.

Anonymous said...

Re: “ Im just guessing, but baby Obama would have still been allowed entry without a passport because his mother was a US citizen and his birth father was a legal resident of the US. “

Answer: That is not the law, and it boggles the mind to think that anyone, a US-mother or not, could carry a black child past immigration into the United States without someone demanding proof that the child was allowed into the USA. That is what we have set up the immigration services at the airports to prevent (not just to prevent black children, of course.)

Re: “There has been many well documented instance of Obama with multiple SSNs, and his own SSN was issued from another state. “

Answer: The answer to this is very simple. THE SOCIAL SECURITY FILES ARE FUCKED UP. Massively Fucked. They have numerous errors and transpositions in them, not only for Obama but for lots of people. That explains the Connecticut-Hawaii mix-up; the numbers were either transposed or digits that were near each other on the keyboard were hit instead of the right number.

And, what would the having multiple social security numbers do for you anyway? You cannot collect more than one social security payment when you retire, and they only use the SS account where the money was recorded. If you recorded payments in multiple accounts, you’d be cutting your own payments, since they would only count those in one of them. SS is not useful for welfare anymore, and it does not help in voting in elections.